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Requested move 19 March 2017

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:51, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]


NewLabour Party (New Zealand)NewLabour Party – Per WP:SMALLDETAILS. --Nevéselbert 15:10, 19 March 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:28, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:31, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Which version of WP:SMALLDETAILS are we following? That guideline used to say that very small details shouldn't disambiguate and weren't recognizable. @Mattlore: please note G Books show many hits for "jim anderton" "new labour" so it isn't consistently recognizable. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:52, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The examples given in the policy make it clear that the move would be acceptable here (MAVEN vs. Maven; Airplane vs. Airplane!; Sea-Monkeys vs. SeaMonkey; The Wörld Is Yours vs. other topics listed at The World Is Yours). As you say, we would still need the NewLabour Party mentioned at the New Labour disambiguation page, because of confusion. However it isn't likely that people will type in "NewLabour Party" when they are looking for any of the other articles. Much like how Flo Rida doesn't have to be disambiguated, despite being the same spelling as Florida. Mattlore (talk) 19:57, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
These are exceptions where (a) subject is highly notable, and (b) stylism is consistent. These are not typical. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:47, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Can we please at some point get wider input from article-content contibutors to restore WP:SMALLDETAILS to sanity? In ictu oculi (talk) 09:47, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
What SMALLDETAILS wording would you support restoring? What it said in 2014? [2] ("Titles of distinct articles may differ only in their detail.") Here's where the section was changed from addressing differences in capitalization to "minor details"[3]. Back in 2011 it said: "Titles of distinct articles may differ only in their detail. Many such differences involve capitalization, separation or non-separation of components, or pluralization: MAVEN and Maven; Red Meat and Red meat; Sea-Monkeys and SeaMonkey."[4]. Back in 2010 it said: "Sometimes titles of separate articles have different forms, but with only minor differences. Examples:/Diacritics: canon vs. cañon/Capitalization: WASP vs. Wasp; Red Meat vs. Red meat" [5]. --В²C 18:00, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per WP:SMALLDETAILS. It's very unlikely that anyone would type in or click on NewLabour Party, with "New" and "Labour" joined as one word and the L in "Labour" capitalized, intending either of the 2 parties named "New Labour Party", let alone anything else. What's more is that NewLabour Party already redirects here, meaning that anyone who does that ends up here already. I've added a hatnote to the article that will clear up any confusion better than sending all readers to a dead end.--Cúchullain t/c 17:15, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Dissolved

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This party was dissolved in 2000. But was is pseudo-dissolved in 1991, when it merged into the Alliance party? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:56, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In a word, no. The Alliance was run more like a coalition, with each party keeping its internal structure (party president, delegates etc). This is what allowed the Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand to easily depart the Alliance in 1999. Under New Zealand law, these are termed as umbrella and component parties. Mattlore (talk) 02:04, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Is "centre-left" the best placement on the spectrum?

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The article says the party was "centre-left", with support from one phrase taken out of context from one book. The book says "Anderton led a centre-left breakaway from the Labour Party", but the next sentence says, "Progressives who had remained outside mainstream political parties joined the NLP, as did [Sue] Bradford". Bradford, for one, was left of centre, not centre-left. The book does not claim that NLP remained just centre-left once the non-Labour people joined it. I think better descriptors would be those used in the Jim Anderton's Progressive Party article, i.e. "left of centre" (in "Policies" section) or "Centre-left to left-wing" in infobox. Nurg (talk) 02:38, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 May 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 00:54, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


NewLabour Party (New Zealand)NewLabour Party – This was requested ~7 years ago and no consensus was reached. I think it's been enough time to request a new move.

WP:SMALLDETAILS was practically created for this type of situation:

The general approach is that whatever readers might type in the search box, they are guided as swiftly as possible to the topic they might reasonably be expected to be looking for, by such disambiguation techniques as hatnotes and/or disambiguation pages. When such navigation aids are in place, small details are often sufficient to distinguish topics, e.g. MAVEN vs. Maven; Airplane! vs. Airplane; Sea-Monkeys vs. SeaMonkey; The Wörld Is Yours vs. other topics listed at The World Is Yours.

The lack of a space between 'New' and 'Labour' seems more than sufficient enough to distinguish this page from other similar titles. Loytra (talk) 15:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. SilverLocust 💬 17:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 17:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting note: Relisting to allow more opportunity for input given #Requested move 19 March 2017. SilverLocust 💬 17:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject Politics, ealand Wikipedians' notice board, WikiProject New Zealand/politics, and WikiProject Politics/Political parties have been notified of this discussion. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 17:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - logical application of WP:SMALLDETAILS, the disambiguation doesn't seem necessary. Turnagra (talk) 19:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - as per above... 'unnecessary disambiguation'. Alexeyevitch(talk) 21:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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